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Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Indian Philosophies Believe in Soul and God: An Appeal to Indian Psychologists and Psychiatrists - 1

Sigmund Freud diskutiert am 18. Juli 1929 mit ...
Sigmund Freud diskutiert am 18. Juli 1929 mit Gustav Klimt im Café Landtmann den Gegensatz zwischen Eros und Todestrieb, Kultur und Triebregung (Photo credit: Christiaan Tonnis)



 





Philosophy is a bridge between Science and Religion has been my theme work. I worked on it from my high schools times, but it was mainly started from the University of Adelaide, South Australia in 1990. Prof. Gill, who was head of the Department of Philosophy at that time advised me to write at least 15 books to prove it.


"Even then its possible that half of the thinkers accept and others reject it," he said smilingly.


This week I had a little discussion about it with Bent at the Facebook that goes as follows:


An Appeal to Psychologists and Psychiatrists in the Modern India: The Indian Psychology is similar to Humanistic Psychology in which a human and other living ones are highly respected and none is called or labeled as a patient but mentally or physically unwell. Its because it accepts that all are souls.

For me honesty is the highest level of any religion and faith, and it does not matter if an honest person believes in God or not. We Indians usually say something negative about Modern Psychology as developed by an Atheist Freud as it does not recognize soul or God at all, but human as a selfish gene always wishing something... we may never understand that the Grace is not by Deserving and thus death of religiosity in India if Freud is the only right authority on the subject matter. I hope it clarifies why we as Indians sometimes write few words opposing what harms the Philosophy and thus the Civilization of India.


Freud's work forms a MAJOR PORTION of the foundation of modern psychology. Sigmund Freud was an avowed atheist, who believed in the evolutionary process of life. Freud was a devout Christ-rejecter. Freud is quoted as saying...

"Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out and out unbeliever."
...
The father of psychoanalysis, Sigmund Freud is best known for his tendency to trace nearly all psychological problems back to sexual issues. In my opinion, it motivates the doctors in India to follow it the Doctrine of Mental Health. (With thanks from the source: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Humanism/psychology.htm)


In the Indian Philosophies, the soul is not described as something that one cannot understand. The word Darshan or the Darshna is the most popular term for it.

The Darshan is to see what ONE is.

This what only humans can do. this is the essence of Philosophy in India to recognize that the Soul sees what one is. This has another name and term in the metaphysics. Its the Drishta.

The Drishta means that the Inner Sight that Sees what one is and also what one sees, observes and experiences. It does matter if one understand what soul but how it works. It helps to see as an observer, and that is enough to help any human to be a thinker philosophically.

Yes, Carl Jung gives insight into it, but Freud and other modern psychologists and atheists ignore it without understanding the term SOUL. It is not consciousness or conscience and even the intellect, but what helps to SEE and OBSERVE all of it.

This has nothing to do with any religion and or faith one follows. For example, Saint Paul says in his letters to the Romans that even the Gentiles, who do not believe in the God know what is the Law, the concept of right and or of wrong.

We usually call it voice of conscience but it is bit higher than that as it gives all humans the sense of equality and fullness of what a human really is, and thus we do not need to label it, the soul. We need to understand it rather as it is. The other point is that psychology does not really teach it as it considers human a psychological animal.

All of Indian Philosophies support one first to accept that one is a human, the soul means that one can observe what one is.


I feel it important to add that Freudian Psychology in the context I have described above has harmed Indian Civilization to almost all the highest possible levels of intellectual and emotional maturity one can have, and that is what we had before 1980's. Its thus seemingly among the major causes of corruption as it drives one to believe that one has emotions and the intellect as the helper to fulfill any desire or wish... leaving one philosophically immature for the rest of life as its very difficult to overcome this unhealthy or immature state of mind. One seems to become grabber rather than a giver, and thus what we call death of conscience... but its not of soul, the observer that knows it, is not it.


In other words, I mean the death of conscience (as we say or call it) is not the death of one's soul, the observer within us.


When the soul as an observer accepts that conscience is dead but one keeps proving that one has conscience alive and keeps doing what one does not say, and thus says what one does not do with conscience as alive in the above context is called SIN in the Indian Scriptures embracing Indian Philosophies. Thus, in such cases only confession is enough to free our self from the physical, emotional, mental and other sins. The religious doctrines differ in it the concepts of SIN at the many levels including the spiritual or religious, but we cannot ignore it as legally such acts are usually crimes, bad motive or intention and so on. So, soul as observer can guide one... on the journey of life, is not it.


It is thus one of the major reason that I write about harms of artificial intelligence, the AI that uses all of it as if the black magic causing the graving suffering to all.


Many seem to claim that eating meat is bad, but the True Indian Philosophies advice that even the seeds like wheat and corn can sprout life, vegetables can give new seeds that can produce fruits and thus life. Even though the humans are philosophical in nature, we can offer our thanks even to the seeds and all that we eat and drink that can produce life. The original or native people offer thanksgiving to what one eats and drinks at least 5 times a day, its called daily havna or yagna. We have been doing it in India from ages as in the Six Schools of Philosophy. These can feel pain and pleasure.

We can coexist with them. If we consider something of worst kind as universal suffering, its not disposing the dead parts of any living body so that the bio-energy of it does not suffer.

This suffering is almost never ending as parts of the dead bodies with bones and flesh remain in deep suffering that causes grave suffering. The Indian Philosophy (the Philosophy of Science to say) thus advices not to practice any experiment on the living things that causes suffering and thus its worse than SIN. Its is called a spiritual sin, a sin against the soul, the bio-energies that drive life in the universe as on our earth.

Even though modern people may not seem to believe in the soul, its the suffering of the consciousnesses that makes one feel pain and pleasure. The modern technology has promoted this black magic as the Indian Philosophers and Thinkers call it. Its the misuse of technology that integrates the suffering of the living ones with any technological equipment including the computers. That is one of the reasons that the Indians oppose it from centuries.


The knowledge cannot change anything metaphysically, so nature makes a great difference within and outside! I never rely on knowledge as its not power, but inner silence and peace is, is not it.


Its as if a cloud in the sky can thunder and rain, but it goes off the sky as dream goes off when we wake up, so is knowledge to us, and we cannot change the sky/space and that is what gives something to share ... the next dream, imagination and or idea that we always share when awake and its a great humanly joy metaphysically.


Thanks for your time to read it as Indian Philosophies Believe in Soul and God: An Appeal to Indian Psychologists and Psychiatrists.

Some points are discussed in the next part: http://www.lifemetaphysical.co.cc/2012/06/indian-philosophies-believe-in-soul-and_08.html

(With sincere thanks to my friend Bent for his innovation and mastery about such topics and issues: http://www.facebook.com/dr.harmandersingh/posts/3862862287170?notif_t=like)


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Saturday, September 10, 2011

East and West: Brahman, Spirit, Nature, OM, and Universe as Adam and Eve: Words Need Attention

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There two words that confuse most of the people in the west. Many who assume to be very modern people in east also find these words as confusing the Hinduism and the Brahman. The associated words include Brahman and Nature. These has nothing to do with religion as such. The reason for it is that these are discussed in the Six Schools of Indian Philosophy not in the religions as they are.

These Six Schools differ a lot but are part of the Grand Indian Civilization. All students who follow it are known by various names. In general, Brahman as Philosopher or the Thinker, the Knowing person about the Spirit, Nature and Universe in these schools received great respect knowing Philosophy of the Six School. And, thus it seems a Brahmnical religion. Its not the case, many schools developed with various names like Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism and many others that follow the Schools without claiming to be Hindus by religion.

Even the word OM is sound energy that is understanding the Quantum Physics and the Creation of the Universe. The Philosopher or Thinker of Indian Schools as the Brahman knows and understands it.

All religions follow philosophy, the spiritual or metaphysical part that we know as Philosophy of Religion.

This religious part is known as Samparda, say as if the name of the Religious University in which one is known more by religion than school of philosophy.

The Brahman is word for what Universe Produces as the Brahma, the Spirit in the Universe. The general term for Brahman is the one, who understands natural laws and principles of nature, spirit and universe. Now, nature is dealing with it similarly as Eve is from the Adam. The Adam means the Seed that sprouts as if after separating from the Spirit, the Brahma or Brahman in general. Both are used as synonymous many times. The Seed of the Universe creates the Nature.

So, the nature is usually addressed as Womb, the Eve. This respect for Eve makes people call Mother Nature. There is no other great significance as the main thing is the Seed. Female carries sperm in her blood which is from the father. Its not thus just matter of Ribs of Adam. She cannot give sperm other than present in her blood and that is of her father.

However, the Male while also having father's sperm in the blood gives the sperms of his own. This very simple biological term is referred as Eve from Adam due to Sperm that we also know as the Purusha in India.

Few words about how woman can produce child without man:

"In the second method, the need of a male is not absolutely essential. A human being can be created by only a female. That is why it is sometimes called asexual method. Every cell has a nucleus that contains the genes. The composition of genes decides the look of a person, the colour of hair, height and so on.

In this method, the egg cell is taken out of the womb and placed in a dish; its nucleus is removed and discarded. The nucleus of a normal cell taken from anywhere else in the body, say leg or arm, either of the same person or anyone else is placed in the egg cell. This egg cell is then placed in the womb of either the same female or any other female and develops into a baby. It will look exactly like the person whose nucleus is implanted into the empty egg cell. It will have nothing in common with the so-called mother.

It is possible to use egg cell from any female animal, say a cow, to clone a man by placing the nucleus of a human’s cell inside the emptied egg and then implant it into the womb of any woman. The resultant clone will look like the donor of the nucleus." (With thanks from the source: http://www.oocities.org/jkrworld/Cl.htm)


Thus, this Purusha has name Brahman or synonymous Brahma, the main Seed Giver and thus Lord Krishna calls himself as Seed.

The Seed has tree in it, so the Indian Philosophy projects human as an inverted tree having roots in the head or sky, and branches, the body as trunk with arms and legs.

We may not argue on things that have biological evidences.

Thanks for your time to read it as East and West: Brahman, Spirit, Nature, OM, and Universe as Adam and Eve: Words Need Attention

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Thursday, September 1, 2011

History of Vedic Punjab and Indian Civilization: A Review with Thanks to Bent Lorentzen: Why Punjab is the Defender of Natural World and Indian Civilization

History of Vedic Punjab and Indian Civilization: A Review with Thanks to Bent Lorentzen: Why Punjab is the Defender of Natural World and Indian Civilization

I have done intensive research from my childhood about history of India and world. It is for my research works on Indian Civilizations, and found that Aryan Invasion seems a false theory to mislead people when European have greater political and thus ruling powers. Based on all works and description that are preserved from Vedic Literature to latest that we know as Shri Guru Granth Sahib, the Holy Book of Sikhs (http://www.searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/int... ) as authority over mythology and history. It talks and discusses everything based on the Quantum Physics and presence of Arts that we know as Classical Indian Arts and present in the other parts of the world.

These Classical Arts always has been gained by all sages, saints and spirituals without teachers. This very thing is known as if gift from the Spirit. The knowledge has ego as its root of action and that needs accepting something or some authority as teacher, the Guru. For example even Lord Rama and Krishna, who were masters of 14 and 16 Classical Arts requested the master of each art as their gurus.

We are left with least of these classical arts alive with their major and minor classes and categories in the Modern Indian Civilization and World in general.

These Gurus, the teachers who help to receive the gifts from the spirit to preserve the natural world. This natural world is thus considered the Visible Form of God. Thus, all of it helps preserve all the Arts that go into Genes and also creates an Environment keeping Natural World as we know it naturally due to harmony and coexistence while also being in commune.

Many people in the modern age, particularly in the west consider the Teacher-taught as if a theory that Indians follow to keep the Civilization alive. We have this very teacher-taught relation for all faculties of human knowledge and wisdom. It spreads into animal kingdom and green world, and thus to the natural world. The Natural World is thus considered a teacher in its own open school.

The incomparable respect is given to the mother as she simply does not just conceives a sperm that has been preserved and developed by nature in male but also in the womb in which the same nature nurtures the same sperm within the egg. This comes out as a human body and other forms among the mammals. As the 4 kinds of life include sweat (perspiration), placenta, vegetation (With thanks from the source: http://www.sikhnet.com/news/water-and-origin-life )

It thus also includes the scientific discussions from creation of the universes to invasions of the Mughals embrace that from the Vedas to Holy Bible, Holy Quran and some other modern scriptures has not been put to question with deep intuitive and divine research works that we call as finding the truth without external aids. That means after reading and understanding everything that meets the criteria of Six Schools of Philosophy that has been main thing in world civilization.

I have studied his grammar of Shri Guru Granth Sahib that is in the Gurumukhi Script, in which Bhai Sahib Singh has proved that the Gurmukhi Script as the Punjabi language is the modern form of the Sanskrit. His grammar book also inspired me to write my own grammar book that I finished in 1996 but has never have been able to put it into publication for some reasons. His Grammar of Gurmukhi and thus the Gurbani by itself is written as in the Gurmukhi Script Punjabi. (With thanks from the source: http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Professor_Sahib...

The Punjab needs to be studied as it was as the greater Punjab embracing entire India not just a small state as discussed below.

Vedic Punjab



 


(Image with thanks from the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Punjab)

Please also read it as additional point: Most of the Sikh Scriptures that describe how Shri Guru Nanak and other Gurus described Vedic Punjab as the origin of their caste and creed, the clans seem not available online and thus also being removed from religious places. It seems genocide of Indian Civilization by Modern Development that once wanted to replace all of it with the Aryan Theories. That is why we are afraid of modern changes, advanced technology and media in which the origins are put as if world did not exist before say 5000 years.


Now, let us correlate: "The Khatris are a prominent Indian community originally from the Potohar and Majha region of the north-western Indian subcontinent, now largely in Punjab in Pakistan. This region is of considerable historical significance in the development of the Indian culture since the composition of the Vedas and classics like the Mahabharata, Ramayana and Puranas. Genetic tests demonstrate that Aroras, Khatris, and Rajputs are strongly clustered together. Genetically they are closer to Brahmin than to Vaish and Scheduled Castes.[6]

According to the Ramayana,[7] Taksha and Pushkala, the sons of Bharata, the brother of Lord Rama, founded Taxila and Pushkalavati in this region. According to the Bichitra Natak written by Guru Gobind Singh around 1696 AD, Lava and Kusha, the sons of Lord Rama, founded Lahore and Kasur, and the descendants of Lava and Kusha form the Khatri Bedi and Sodhi clans.[8] An empty temple dedicated to Lava still exists in the Lahore Fort.[9]

The region was ruled by Hindu kings until 1013 AD. King Bhimapala,[10] the son of Trilochanapala Khanna, has his capital at Nandana in the Salt Range region, where many temples and archaeological relics from their period are still present. Katas Raj remained a major pilgrimage center until the partition of India. Khatris encountered hardships after the conquest of the region, but stubbornly clung to their heritage. Because of high levels of education and scholarship, they were able to survive even in difficult times.[5]

The Khatris, along with Aroras and Lohanas, engaged in trade in Central Asia.[11][12] The Hindu temples of Kabul and the Hindu Fire Temple of Baku built and maintained by them still exist.[citation needed]

Khatris are now present in all the states of India, although the major concentration remains in Punjab and the Delhi region. Khatris are of Aryan origin.[citation needed]" (With Thanks from the source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedi_clan)


Thus seems the tactic of New World Order to aside Sikhs, Vedic Punjab as if something foreign to India and thus the Indian Civilization that means a movement of making new market places. It is not at all required but people when understand it know that world is in the nature and thus the natural world is what we need more than New World Order.

Vedic Punjab

The Rig-Veda, one of the older texts in South Asia, is generally thought to have been composed in the Greater Punjab. It embodies a literary record of the socio-cultural development of ancient Punjab (known as Sapta Sindhu) and affords us a glimpse of the life of its people. Vedic society was tribal in character. A number of families constituted a grama, a number of gramas a vis (clan) and a number of clans a Jana (tribe). The Janas, led by Rajans, were in constant inter-tribal warfare. From this warfare arose larger groupings of peoples ruled by great chieftains and kings. As a result, a new political philosophy of conquest and empire grew, which traced the origin of the state to the exigencies of war.

An important event of the Rigvedic era was the "Battle of Ten Kings" which was fought on the banks of the river Parusni (identified with the present-day river Ravi) between king Sudas of the Trtsu lineage of the Bharata clan on the one hand and a confederation of ten tribes on the other.[5] The ten tribes pitted against Sudas comprised five major the Purus, the Druhyus, the Anus, the Turvasas and the Yadus—and five minor ones, origin from the north-western and western frontiers of present-day Punjab—the Pakthas, the Alinas, the Bhalanas, the Visanins and the Sivas. King Sudas was supported by the Vedic Rishi Vasishtha, while his former Purohita the Rishi Viswamitra sided with the confederation of ten tribes.[6]

Out of such conflicts, struggles, conquests and movements of the Vedic of the Middle and Later Vedic age emerged the Punjab, a society that laid special stress on the value of action as depicted by their ideals and standards in the Hindu Epics, notably the Mahabharata.

Epic Punjab

The philosophy of heroism of the Epic Age is expounded in the Bhagavatagita section of the Mahabharata. That work is a synthesis of many doctrines and creeds, but its oldest core is arguably the enunciation of a martial and heroic cult. The Bhagavatagita expounds a philosophy of heroism probably current in the then Punjab. It provides a philosophical foundation to the profession of arms and invests the Kshatriya or warrior with respectable position and noble status. It canonizes his professional integrity and injects an intensity of purpose into it. The exploits of the civilization can be seen in the accounts of the charges of the Kauravas against the Pandavas. The epic says that the contingents of Gandharas, Kambojas, Sauviras, Madras and Trigartas occupied key positions in the Kaurava arrays throughout the epic war.[7]

Another important event that involved the Punjabis was the conflict between the Indo-Aryan Rishi Vishwamitra of the Kurukshetra area and Sage Vasishtha from the north-western parts of greater Punjab (i.e., the region extending from Swat/Kabul in the west to Delhi in the east).[8][9] The story emerges in the Rigveda and more clearly later Vedic texts and is portrayed in the Bala-Kanda section of the Valmiki Ramayana. The epic conflict is said to have been sparked over the re-possession of Kamadhenu, also known as Savala, a divine cow by Vishwamitra from a Brahmana sage of the Vasishtha lineage. Rsi Vasishtha solicited the military support of the frontier Punjabi warriors consisting of eastern Iranians—the Shakas, Kambojas, Pahlavas, etc., aided by Kirata, Harita and the Mlechcha soldiers from the Himalayas. This composite army from frontier Punjab ruined one Akshauni army of Vishwamitra, along with all of his 100 his sons except one.[10] Indologists like Dr H. C. Raychadhury, Dr B. C. Law, Dr Satya Shrava and others see in these verses the glimpses of the struggles of the Aryans with the mixed invading hordes of the barbaric Sakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Pahlavas etc. from the north-west.[11][12][13][14] The time frame for these struggles is said to be the 2nd century BCE. Raychadhury fixes the date of the present version of the Valmiki Ramayana around/after 2nd century CE.[15]

Punjab during Buddhist times

The Buddhist text Anguttara Nikaya[16] mentions Gandhara and Kamboja among the sixteen great countries (Solas Mahajanapadas) which had evolved in/and around Jambudvipa prior to Buddha's times. Pali literature further endorses that only Kamboja and Gandhara of the sixteen ancient political powers belonged to the Uttarapatha or northern division of Jambudvipa but no precise boundaries for each have been explicitly specified. Gandhara and Kamboja are believed to have comprised the upper Indus regions and included Kashmir, eastern Afghanistan and most of the western Punjab which now forms part of Pakistan.[17] At times, the limits of Buddhist Gandhara had extended as far as Multan while those of Buddhist Kamboja comprised Rajauri/Poonch, Abhisara and Hazara as well as eastern Afghanistan including valleys of Swat and Kunar and Kapisa etc. Michael Witzel terms this region as forming parts of the Greater Punjab. Buddhist texts also mention that this northern region especially the Kamboja was renowned for its quality horses & horsemen and has been regularly mentioned as the home of horses.[18] However, Chulla-Niddesa, another ancient text of the Buddhist canon substitutes Yona for Gandhara and thus lists the Kamboja and the Yona as the only Mahajanapadas from Uttarapatha[19] This shows that Kamboja had included Gandhara at the time the Chulla-Niddesa list was written by Buddhists.

Pāṇinian and Kautiliyan Punjab

Pāṇini was a famous ancient Sanskrit grammarian born in Shalātura, identified with modern Lahur near Attock in the Northwest Frontier Province of Pakistan. One may infer from his work, the Ashtadhyayi, that the people of Greater Punjab lived prominently by the profession of arms. That text terms numerous clans as being "Ayudhajivin Samghas" or "Republics (oligarchies) that live by force of arms". Those living in the plains were called Vahika Samghas,[20] while those in the mountainous regions (including the north-east of present-day Afghanistan) were termed as Parvatiya Samghas (mountaineer republics).[21] According to an older opinion the Vahika Sanghas included prominently the Vrikas (possibly modern Virk Jatts), Damanis, confederation of six states known as Trigarta-shashthas, Yaudheyas (modern Joiya or Johiya Rajputs and some Kamboj), Parsus, Kekayas, Usinaras, Sibis[22] (possibly modern Sibia Jatts?), Kshudrakas, Malavas, Bhartas, and the Madraka clans,[23] while the other class, styled as Parvatiya Ayudhajivins, comprised among others partially the Trigartas, Darvas, the Gandharan clan of Hastayanas,[24] Niharas, Hamsamaragas, and the Kambojan clans of Ashvayanas[25] & Ashvakayanas,[26] Dharteyas (of the Dyrta town of the Ashvakayans), Apritas, Madhuwantas (all known as Rohitgiris), as well as the Daradas of the Chitral, Gilgit, etc. In addition, Pāṇini also refers to the Kshatriya monarchies of the Kuru, Gandhara and Kamboja.[27] These Kshatriyas or warrior communities followed different forms of republican or oligarchic constitutions, as is attested to by Pāṇini's Ashtadhyayi.

The Arthashastra of Kautiliya, whose oldest layer may go back to the 4th century BCE also talks of several martial republics and specifically refers to the [Kshatriya Srenis (warrior-bands) of the Kambojas, Surastras and some other frontier tribes as belonging to varta-Shastr-opajivin class (i.e., living by the profession of arms and varta), while the Madraka, Malla, the Kuru, etc., clans are called Raja-shabd-opajivins class (i.e., using the title of Raja).[28][29][30][31][32] Dr Arthur Coke Burnell observes: "In the West, there were the Kambojas and the Katas (Kathas) with a high reputation for courage and skill in war, the Saubhuties, the Yaudheyas, and the two federated peoples, the Sibis, the Malavas and the Kshudrakas, the most numerous and warlike of the Indian nations of the days".[33][34] Thus, it is seen that the heroicraditions cultivated in Vedic and Epic Age continued to the times of Pāṇini and Kautaliya. In fact, the entire region of Greater Punjab is known to have reeked with the martial people. History strongly witnesses that these Ayudhajivin clans had offered stiff resistance to the Achaemenid rulers in the 6th century, and later to the Macedonian invaders in the 4th century BC.

According to History of Punjab: "There is no doubt that the Kambojas, Daradas, Kaikayas, Madras, Pauravas, Yaudheyas, Malavas, Saindhavas and Kurus had jointly contributed to the heroic tradition and composite culture of ancient Punjab".[35][36]

Please read more about it including the following:

Invasions:
Persian domination
Alexander's invasion

Maurya Empire
Indo-Greek kingdom
The Shahi Kingdoms and the Muslim invasions
The Delhi Sultanate and Mughal empire (Main article: Mughal Empire)
The rule of the Sikhs
The British in Punjab
The Punjab of Republic of India and Pakistan

from the source with thanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Punjab...


History of Vedic Punjab and Indian Civilization: A Review with Thanks to Bent Lorentzen: Why Punjab is the Defender of Natural World and Indian Civilization has been inspired by a wonderful wallpost by Bent Lorentzen having the most beuatiful words showing reverence for natural world as: "...the mother's side of the family into deep history, it additionally means that all life, the land and habitat systems that support life, is considered the deepest mother, again deeply reinforcing an indellible love, respect, connectivity and desire to preserve their habitat's ecosystem... and this is also reflected in the way many tribes and clans encourage their young to study the sciences that have to do with ecology." (With thanks from the Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2... )

Thanks for your time to read it.

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